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mpire
04-13-2008, 12:29 PM
As yall know Murder Inc / The Inc had TONS of possibilities to sign CREDIBLE and TALENTED artists (rappers, singers, groups). Who do you think should have been signed by Irv and would have made the Inc still relevant? Im not saying Murder Inc isnt relevant, Im just saying that the label depends / depended too much on 3 artists (Ja, Shany & Lloyd). So if we would have had another major artist, which one could have made (or still can make) the difference?

1. Canibus

http://www.hiphop-beef.com/images/canibus.gif

Togehter with Nas (arguably?) one of the top lyricists on the planet. Mad underrated, yet he slaughtered one of most famous MCs (GOAT?) on the planet (LL Cool J)... Although Ja appeared with LL on a Canibus-disstrack (Back Where I Belong), rumors floated over the internet that Can was about to sign with Murda I.N.C.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bpeMpsNwG0I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZbDcVABGuL8

2. Rick Ross

http://www.bmi.com/images/musicworld/r/rick_ross_1_500.jpg

http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/irv+gotti+on+getting+your+music+heard

Rickie Ross, the BOSS. Dude sells more records than Snoop Dogg nowadays, and has many hits under his belt (The Boss, Hustlin, Push It To The Limit, etc).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4GJCDXegao

3. Papoose

http://z.about.com/d/rap/1/5/a/6/-/-/Papoose.jpg

Allhiphop.com reported a few months ago in their "Rumors"-section that Irv had the possibility to sign Pap. I highly doubt Pap still wants to sign to the Inc, as he is collaborating already with 50. Anyway, sometimes I think its a goddamn shame that he is no part of the roster (he at least USED to be nice):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLklnMWl63k

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vKl-hLYvd8I

4. The Game

http://www.hiphop-beef.com/images/the-game.gif

Before signing to the Unit, Game already tried to sign to Murder Inc. Irv Gotti just threw his demo in the garbage can, because he was not 'really impressed'. Next thing you know, Game signs to the Unit and after beefing with Ja and the rest of the Murder Inc-click, they dead the beef at the Grammy's last year. The outcome:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_nxlW-MYQx0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EX8DmbU9yf4

5. Nas

http://www.xula.edu/herald/issues/20021010/images/nasandashanti.jpg

Nas has always been cool with the Inc as far as I know. Appearing on Lloyd's You Remix and on Ja's The Pledge Remix and with Ja, DMX & Method Man on "Grand Finale" as well as performing with Ja & Shany on the VMAs, Nas has always shown Murder Inc some love. You already know he was SO close to signing with Murder Inc. if it wasnt for Jay-Z to tell him that Murder Inc. was no 'career move'. In my opinion a real shame, because Nas is one of the top lyricists ever and would have been more than a good look for the label.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iDJYMVO6lJA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6NN2ntFW2Q

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4s3Vlo04kps

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hP2jHqV4tls

6. Bobby Brown

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38705000/jpg/_38705615_bobbybrown_ap300.jpg

http://www.dazzlingimages.com/Celebs/BobbyBrown_JaRule.jpg

Appearing on Ja's Thug Lovin, there was some talk that Bobby Brown was gonna sign with the Inc. Good or bad move that the former New Edition-singer never signed?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PyiFwgbdyv0

7. Shyne

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/1027221_shyne2_200x200.jpg

Shyne might get released from prison within a year. Could he bring back Murder Inc if he was signed? In a hot97 interview Shyne shouts out Irv:

Q: Who pursued you the most while you were there in terms of record labels? We said 50 and Murder Inc.

Shyne: Yeah. Irv Gotti. Salute you.

.....I mean the whole thing is it’s a blessing. I wear that. That’s a gift from the Most High, and I salute from Irv, to Sug, to DNY, Ruff Ryders.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s9CY7VN10ts

8. Crooked-I & Eastwood

http://hiphopdom.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/crooked-i-hip-hop-weekly-2.jpg


http://afgen.com/eastwood.jpg

Appearing on Ashanti's "Baby" Remix a long time ago, Crooked-I is more relevant than ever after dropping 52 weeks of pure heat with his HipHop Weekly Freestyles... He and Eastwood are down with the Inc since back then and are set to appear on both the "300" Remix as well as the "Sunset" Remix. Should Irv just sign these guys and get it over with?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u20_lG9oEts

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sqoCJWiz_ZQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u-w1kfCsUEY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n-jtEDgL-Z8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7r76m8FuyrM

Of course there are artists (and producers) that are not listed (e.g. Kurupt,k Shade Sheist), so please feel free to post them. Im really curious who you feel should be added (or should have been added a LONG time ago) to the roster.

MB Rule
04-13-2008, 12:35 PM
let me dead one thing Canibus was never going to sign with The Inc and never would. I know him personally and when the rumors were floating around it was just rumors he never made an attempt to reach to them or anything and said he wont sign with them if they came to him. Canibus is a hiphop veteran and not concerned with making millions he does it for the love and the old school guys not for media and mainstream.

The Illustrious One
04-13-2008, 12:38 PM
Nas, Crooked I, The Game, Rick Ross and Shyne would've been dope!

Nickolai
04-13-2008, 12:39 PM
LMFAO

First off, Canibus isn't even that good, most of his shit doesn't make sense

Rick Ross is sheer wackness

NaS would never sign to The Inc

Bobby Brown is a crackhead

Crooked I & Eastwood been through too much label bullshit to evenb think of going to The Inc

The Game? He's got his own damn label

Papoose, old and had his fair share of label bullshit too

mpire
04-13-2008, 12:39 PM
^^^ But MB Rule, hypothetically speaking, IF Canibus DID sign with Murder Inc, would it have brought the Inc back to significant relevance? Or do you think any other rapper listed could be or could have been important to the resurrection of the label?

mpire
04-13-2008, 12:44 PM
LMFAO

First off, Canibus isn't even that good, most of his shit doesn't make sense

Rick Ross is sheer wackness

NaS would never sign to The Inc

Bobby Brown is a crackhead

Crooked I & Eastwood been through too much label bullshit to evenb think of going to The Inc

The Game? He's got his own damn label

Papoose, old and had his fair share of label bullshit too

First off, I believe Canibus IS that good. I think Rick Ross is improving and decent for a rapper with mainstream appeal, I mean... his tracks are banging and enjoyable in the club. Nas was actually pretty fuckin close of signing with Murder Inc. Bobby Brown, crackhead or not, had some talent and I think "Thug Lovin" was a great cut. Crooked-I probably wont sign, but Eastwood could though. And The Game is not gonna sign either, but IF he DID, would Murder Inc be in a better position now and would Game have still been the (world-famous) artist he is today? And Pap, I think he used to be good as well, Im just not digging what he is dropping lately.

Eimz_T
04-13-2008, 12:51 PM
once again man, great thread. I think the biggest loss was not getting Nas on board that would've been dope and it would have changed the label entirely, second i think that shyne probably will sign when he gets out and i believe this will be a HUGE boost

all in all tho i think that the inc will do just fine, it might take sometime but i believe we'll make it

mpire
04-13-2008, 12:55 PM
^ I def agree... Nas & Shyne could have been a great contribution to Murder Inc. Im really curious what Shyne's situation is gonna be, but it would be awesome if he signed. I do think that Rick Ross would have been great as well, because he makes them clubbangers that we needed the past 2-3 years

adamantiumstar
04-13-2008, 12:56 PM
the inc need to try new thangs. inc artists are too much with the same producers all the time.

put ryan leslie, platinum brothers, tim and bob, just blaze, timbaland....... make them create beats with ja and lloyd and i can guarantee you it would be really creative.

we need seven back too, he had the thing that make him unique and nobody got beats like he's doin it.

joe budden would be really dope under the inc label, he is too good for just making in the mood mixtapes, he gotta release a real new album.

fabolous. I really like his sound and style, always can count on him for summer hits and good vibe songs. would like to hear a featuring between him and ja.

we need another girl in the label. ashanti is not a hundred per cent under the inc since some times now and vanessa carlton is doing something that is not rn'b.I like her for sure but we should have a J.lo or an alicia keys kinda like.

adamantiumstar
04-13-2008, 12:58 PM
sorry I didn't meant alicia keys but mary j blige cause vanessa carlton is doin piano like alicia

sniper
04-13-2008, 12:59 PM
id would've like to see eastwood sign inc. i think he would hold us down nicely on the west.

MB Rule
04-13-2008, 01:24 PM
LMFAO

First off, Canibus isn't even that good, most of his shit doesn't make sense

Rick Ross is sheer wackness

NaS would never sign to The Inc

Bobby Brown is a crackhead

Crooked I & Eastwood been through too much label bullshit to evenb think of going to The Inc

The Game? He's got his own damn label

Papoose, old and had his fair share of label bullshit too

How can you say Canibus isnt that good? Your a younging first of all, dont expect you to understna dhis stuff. This dude researches all the stuff he writes, reads mad books is a University graduate so dont speak on something you dont know. Canibus is hands down the best lyricist in the game.

mpire if Bis did sign with Murder Inc and if they didnt fuck with his style then resurrect Murder Inc I dont think so the mainstream isnt ready for Bis that was proven in 98. Too many idiots who like snappy music and gangsta talk these days. But what it would do would give Murder Inc a great deal of respect in the underground, Bis is a legend, has done and said stuff 95% of artists dare not to speak on.

Anyone who clowns on Bis, dont know HIP-HOP!!! Its like disrespecting guys like Eric B and Rakim guys who paved the way for lyricism in hip-hop. Damn, clowning Bis just made Nickolai look stupid, by saying none of his stuff makes sense pick up some books son, read a little enlighten yourself kid.

MB Rule
04-13-2008, 01:26 PM
by the way mpire GREAT thread, good to see my dude Bis get respect he damn well deserves.

mpire
04-13-2008, 01:35 PM
we need seven back too, he had the thing that make him unique and nobody got beats like he's doin it.

joe budden would be really dope under the inc label, he is too good for just making in the mood mixtapes, he gotta release a real new album.

fabolous. I really like his sound and style, always can count on him for summer hits and good vibe songs. would like to hear a featuring between him and ja.

I fully agree with you on that 7 part... Really hoped he came back. Anyway... How could I possibly forget about Joe Budden??? There were indeed some rumors floating around that he would sign to the Inc, and if Irv handled his business right than I think he could make sure Joe FINALLY blows up. Joe at least shouted Gotti out on the unofficial "Get It Shawty" Remix...

About Fabolous, I think he is in a good space where he is, its just cool to have him on some collabos. I do know Ja featured on this track with Fabo before ("Ride For This" off "Ghetto Fabolous"), and of course Shany did a track with Loso ("So Into You") & Lloyd had a guest spot on "Real Playa Like". But I cant recall any talk about Fabolous getting signed to the Inc though, but then again I could be wrong.

mpire
04-13-2008, 01:40 PM
if Bis did sign with Murder Inc and if they didnt fuck with his style then resurrect Murder Inc I dont think so the mainstream isnt ready for Bis that was proven in 98. Too many idiots who like snappy music and gangsta talk these days. But what it would do would give Murder Inc a great deal of respect in the underground, Bis is a legend, has done and said stuff 95% of artists dare not to speak on.

Anyone who clowns on Bis, dont know HIP-HOP!!! Its like disrespecting guys like Eric B and Rakim guys who paved the way for lyricism in hip-hop.

This is some REAL TALK... thats exactly what Im saying! Canibus signing to Murder Inc would not mean a great deal of mainstream appeal, but it would give Murder Inc as a label so much more depth as an HIP-HOP label. And sorry Nickolai, but although there's no accounting for tastes, I think you should give credit where credit is due. Canibus has hiphop CLASSICS under his belt (probably more than your favourite rapper) and he paved the way for a lot of other artists. Like him or not, but dude has undeniable talent and meant a lot to hiphop.

damurderous
04-13-2008, 02:00 PM
nas and shyne are the ones who could have joined they probably would have turned this whole thing around but then again i know that the iinc is gona get back on top of their game

murda4lyf_06
04-13-2008, 02:37 PM
canibus is a fucking amazing lyricist. if u think he isnt then u need ur head testing!

Westside
04-13-2008, 03:40 PM
would love to see a lot of them on the roster!

did people know irv wanted to sign PITBULL!!

mpire
04-13-2008, 03:42 PM
^^ I didnt know that... Thanks! Pitbull is alright though.

Eimz_T
04-13-2008, 04:27 PM
ya i think i remember that about pit, could call not siging him tho regatton died faster than it was born

tjjohnson
04-13-2008, 10:46 PM
Nas, Crooked I, The Game, Rick Ross and Shyne would've been dope!

That's true. That would be an all-star lineup of artists along with Ja, Ashanti, and Lloyd.

Capo Di Tutti
04-13-2008, 11:38 PM
for me nas was the big fish we didnt catch i feel if we signed nas we would be calling the shots in ths industry he is a great and a respected vet ppl admire him and he is making moves can u imagine him bringing out nigger on the inc

shyne i wouldnt mind if he signed he is another good rapper but i dont think he would he have a major impact he'll do well but

as for cannibus great like his tracks but again i dont think can and inc suit

as for the rest crooked i for west would be niice other than that the other artist are only good for collabs

nas is the one we missed out on

PaC3Y
04-14-2008, 01:53 AM
Nas was the major loss imo. but then again there's no point signing anyone if you're not going to let them be heard.

relentless
04-14-2008, 02:12 AM
nice thread mpire, quality over quantity.

reggaeton is still massive where im from, and pitbull gets a lot of love. so missing that opportunity was a major blow imo, it would have expanded the inc musically and culturally.

nas of course, i dont need to go into why he would have been a great addition

shyne had a LOT of hype around him when he dropped his 2nd album. if irv had managed to pull that off, it would have been a nice wave to ride. when he gets out im sure he'll sign though

daz dillinger wanted to sign, if we had got him, crooked i, the game and eastwood, we would be looking at one of the strongest westcoast labels since deathrow was in full force. although i dont think game would have achieved anywhere near as much mainstream success if he hadnt gone to g-unit.

rick ross would have kept our mainstream appeal going nicely, its a shame we didnt sign him. its always good to have someone who can belt out hits, even if they arent that nice lyrically. he serves his purpose well.

dmx if in the right state of mind would have brought some much needed street music back to the label. i think i recall x and gotti wanting to work together again, but he had already made his deal with sony. not to mention it would have brought back one of the original murder inc members.

Nickolai
04-14-2008, 10:25 AM
How can you say Canibus isnt that good? Your a younging first of all, dont expect you to understna dhis stuff. This dude researches all the stuff he writes, reads mad books is a University graduate so dont speak on something you dont know. Canibus is hands down the best lyricist in the game.

mpire if Bis did sign with Murder Inc and if they didnt fuck with his style then resurrect Murder Inc I dont think so the mainstream isnt ready for Bis that was proven in 98. Too many idiots who like snappy music and gangsta talk these days. But what it would do would give Murder Inc a great deal of respect in the underground, Bis is a legend, has done and said stuff 95% of artists dare not to speak on.

Anyone who clowns on Bis, dont know HIP-HOP!!! Its like disrespecting guys like Eric B and Rakim guys who paved the way for lyricism in hip-hop. Damn, clowning Bis just made Nickolai look stupid, by saying none of his stuff makes sense pick up some books son, read a little enlighten yourself kid.

Stop trynna come across as a Hip Hop head cuz it ain't working

Your top 5 alive wouldnt compare to mine cuz you'd have rappers like Bis, Ja and co in it lol

M.A KINGDOM
04-14-2008, 06:55 PM
i c most people mentionin the same people but am gonna go wiv the game think was bad decision to not sign him he wud def made inc relevent so to speak imagine he was sign when he smashed 50s album sales tht wud bin dope

Capo Di Tutti
04-15-2008, 04:56 AM
^^^
but for some reason i feel game wouldnt be as big as he is today if he signed with the inc i mean he is a great rapper and shit but he came out wid dre and 50 thats wat made him get the spotlight if he signed with the inc i think he would of just been on the bench just like black or caddy as for nas u know irv wouldnt hold his album back he has a loyal fan base he gets to work and get shit done he is always going to sell

why didnt the rick ross signing didnt happen wat stopped it

relentless
04-15-2008, 07:32 AM
^he went with jay-z's offer cos he thought jay would make him bigger

Gangstafied
04-15-2008, 09:00 AM
Nas and Crooked I are the only ones that would be relevant if they got signed...the rest of then r just washed up rappers...Canibus is nice but no one really cares what he have to say, Rick Ross could sell albuns but as a rapper he's ass, Game lol, Shyne why do people like him so much?cause he's in jail? cause as a rapper he doesn't bring anything new, Papoose a great mixtape rapper but that's it...and bobby brown?lol instead of saying someone that really could make a difference maybe R.Kelly, no u say bobby brown lol

jaynice
04-15-2008, 11:34 AM
damm man
u just made me remember how shiity is the inc on the bussiness side
a lot of great talent that the inc could have signed.............
thats why the inc its on the place they are

- not hating luv the inc as a fan but damm
good deccisions/bad decissions..................
its all about this

MB Rule
04-15-2008, 12:04 PM
Stop trynna come across as a Hip Hop head cuz it ain't working

Your top 5 alive wouldnt compare to mine cuz you'd have rappers like Bis, Ja and co in it lol

My top 5 is

1. Canibus
2. Inspectah Deck
3. Royce Da 5'9"
4. Crooked I
5. Chino XL

I aint saying you gotta like Bis, but if you dont appreciate his music and what he has done then you dont know much kid. I aint saying Im the biggest hiphop head but Ive worked with lots of these guys, especially tons of the underground LA scene. Ive seen these guys spend 8-10 hours in a studio without break just grinding out tracks. I know the legend KRS-One met him at Brither J of X-Clans birthday bash cause I worked for an Entertainment company. So dont speak on things you dont know about me kid. Get your facts straight Ja isnt even in my top 10 but I respect what he has done and the work he has done and I support him cause I know some of his family members. Im still waiting for him to drop a VVV type album.

mpire
04-15-2008, 05:51 PM
Nas and Crooked I are the only ones that would be relevant if they got signed...the rest of then r just washed up rappers...Canibus is nice but no one really cares what he have to say, Rick Ross could sell albuns but as a rapper he's ass, Game lol, Shyne why do people like him so much?cause he's in jail? cause as a rapper he doesn't bring anything new, Papoose a great mixtape rapper but that's it...and bobby brown?lol instead of saying someone that really could make a difference maybe R.Kelly, no u say bobby brown lol

I mentioned Bobby Brown cuz I mentioned EVERYONE who I could think of that was in negotiations for signing with the Inc. You're true though, only few people care for Canibus, but that makes sense as Bis is not a real mainstream artist. He is very talented though. I think Rick Ross could have worked out great for the Inc as - although he is not a great rapper - he does make them smash hits, which is what the Inc needs if ya ask me. Nas and/or Crooked-I obviously would be dope as fuck... Game maybe too, although I also believe he would never have had the buzz he has nowadays. And I think Shyne has a great flow and I like his voice and persona. Dude has huge potential and I think it would be dope to see him on the Inc.

MB Rule
04-15-2008, 06:50 PM
Youd be surprised on how many people listen to Bis. The CC forums along will prove it. Much more active people there then hear and believe there is more members and always something to talk about. Ask anyone in the rap game about Bis and they will say he was ahead of his time. Everyone knows hes a dope lyricist but also a guy you cant control as hes been dropped by several labels because he wont bow down and do shit tracks to make it big, he believes in the art not the money. If you were to ask any of the games top dogs like Hov etc they tell you Canibus got crazy talent but it is not geared for the mainstream, hes got two gold albums and his independent releases have faired quite well

kayitosway954
04-15-2008, 10:00 PM
I fucks with everyone but Tha Game & Bobby Brown. Bobby is uhh bum and Tha Game will cry if he dont get his way.

relentless
04-16-2008, 02:24 AM
everyone forgot hussein fatal.......

kayitosway954
04-16-2008, 10:27 AM
^^^^ Werd

And by tha way, Irv produced on BC (Before Can-I-Bus)

Nickolai
04-16-2008, 10:50 AM
My top 5 is

1. Canibus
2. Inspectah Deck
3. Royce Da 5'9"
4. Crooked I
5. Chino XL

I aint saying you gotta like Bis, but if you dont appreciate his music and what he has done then you dont know much kid. I aint saying Im the biggest hiphop head but Ive worked with lots of these guys, especially tons of the underground LA scene. Ive seen these guys spend 8-10 hours in a studio without break just grinding out tracks. I know the legend KRS-One met him at Brither J of X-Clans birthday bash cause I worked for an Entertainment company. So dont speak on things you dont know about me kid. Get your facts straight Ja isnt even in my top 10 but I respect what he has done and the work he has done and I support him cause I know some of his family members. Im still waiting for him to drop a VVV type album.

Hmmmm, yeah, I'd steer clear of calling me ''kid'' continuously since I'm not one and just so happen to be younger than you

Though Crooked I is aiight I wouldn't name him in the Top 5 alive til he release's an album cuz it's all good being a lyricist but if you can't hold your own on an album then you lack that extra bit of skill

But Royce :rock:

_daredevilz_
04-18-2008, 06:29 PM
Damn good thread... yeahh propz to the dude who shouted out Hussein Fatal! All I know about Canibus is that Eminem and him was beefin lool I'll take MB Rule's word for it and definatley giv this dude a listen, DMX would have been such a good inc artist keepin that street element within the Inc, I also think Nas would hav done the Inc proud, but having said that, I beleive (correct me if im wrong) that Ja is the only selling rap artist on the inc?! I mean they got Caddy n Black who are GREAT rappers... so makes you wonder that if Irv did sign these dudes, would they be as credible to Hip Hop as they are today? coz Most people only know that 50 apparantley Murdered Murder Inc lool so with ppl lyk Game trying to hook up with the Inc makes me think that he done himself good signin with Gay Unit at the time coz I felt that he deserved his bread... if he was on the inc he'd be in Caddy and Blacks place... but Nas is a legend yo! He wouldve had no trouble in getting Gotti to bring his Album(s) out there!

kayitosway954
04-19-2008, 12:03 AM
Mic G needs more light

O-James
04-19-2008, 10:32 AM
pap hell naw! he wasnt that good even before shit..

nas game eastwood crooked i shine all woulda made difference..
especially nas.. nas i say is more of a genius than pac now..

and with how irv work he couldnt handle to make rick ross eastwood and crooked i stay.. couldnt even get black and tah out..

b brown cant he only got one song out he shoulda done more
then thats the time he can sign..

nas j.lo nore r.kelly, wish he signed them..

Lexx_Luciano
04-20-2008, 08:52 PM
Ya'll 4got Lil Mo & Christina Milian!!